tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post333916175978128164..comments2024-02-11T19:28:27.997+11:00Comments on Personal Reflections: Rum, money & power - NSW history repeats itselfJim Belshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-89355136681004870782012-11-16T21:26:27.232+11:002012-11-16T21:26:27.232+11:00Let's not forget Botany Council.
Or Askin eit...Let's not forget Botany Council.<br /><br />Or Askin either.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355215688351759230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-37745822012564934202012-11-16T20:38:43.632+11:002012-11-16T20:38:43.632+11:00I don't think that its quite the same old. It&...I don't think that its quite the same old. It's venal. Not sure that I put that well, but on the allegations Mr Askin was corruption from bribes. This is a different type. I am also interested in the differences between capital cities. Not sure that i can do it justice in a post, though! Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-12294857097816489992012-11-16T20:28:23.526+11:002012-11-16T20:28:23.526+11:00Actually Neil raises a very good point: does the a...Actually Neil raises a very good point: does the addition of several 0's indicate an escalation, or is it merely the inevitable effect of inflation upon what is essentially same old, same old? Looking forward to Jim's analysis.<br /><br />kvdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-82852372221985212142012-11-16T20:17:36.151+11:002012-11-16T20:17:36.151+11:00I had forgotten about Askin, Neil. I must re-check...I had forgotten about Askin, Neil. I must re-check the details. As I remember it, though, the allegations (they were never proved) involved links with organised crime. Nothing would surprise me, though!Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-39792506682807143022012-11-16T20:03:39.176+11:002012-11-16T20:03:39.176+11:00Neil, yes indeed and touche also, if necessary! (n...Neil, yes indeed and touche also, if necessary! (not that there was any hint of party politics in the disgust expressed)<br /><br />Oh well. You may say we don't have class, but we do have Bulli Pass.<br /><br />kvdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-32819687414953485122012-11-16T19:41:43.458+11:002012-11-16T19:41:43.458+11:00Askin. Yes, pretty amazing too...Askin. Yes, pretty amazing too...Neilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-89046684028189234452012-11-16T19:11:41.887+11:002012-11-16T19:11:41.887+11:00:), kvd. Actually, probably not. I am amazed at th...:), kvd. Actually, probably not. I am amazed at the NSW stuff and in some ways the ho-um reaction to it all. If everybody knew that stuff might be happening, and a lot of people either did or seemed to assume it, then it doesn't say much for this place. In fact, I accept that this is a jaundiced view, its just all so Sydney! Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-6403495506614301872012-11-16T19:01:28.305+11:002012-11-16T19:01:28.305+11:00Sorry Jim. Was concocting my defence of the method...Sorry Jim. Was concocting my defence of the methods at the exact time you were lauding the results. Carry on ;)<br /><br />kvdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-31722398715312273852012-11-16T18:58:44.608+11:002012-11-16T18:58:44.608+11:00From your 'Rum Corps' link:
"To impr...From your 'Rum Corps' link:<br /><br />"To improve agricultural production and make the colony more self-sufficient, Grose turned away from collective farming and made generous land grants to officers of the Corps."<br /><br />- sounds a bit like how raw (and bloody, tooth and claw) capitalism works, therefore maybe not so bad for the times?<br /><br />That aside, the present unfiltered tales of our political betters are making fascinating reading.<br /><br />kvdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-19758053014831934312012-11-16T18:52:59.824+11:002012-11-16T18:52:59.824+11:00Sorry for the delay, Evan. I haven't has acces...Sorry for the delay, Evan. I haven't has access during the day. I have been reading some stuff by economic historian Noel Butlin on this. <br /><br />Looking at this, I get the strong impression that the emergence of a military-official junta after Philip left was quite positive in economic terms, in establishing private property rights, and in limiting the freedom of the state. By 1808, the year Bligh was over-thrown, the real standard of living in NSW had reached, probably passed, that of England. The overthrow laid the basis for Macquarie.<br /><br />The corruption of the time also has to be seen in the context of attitudes of the time that were, in practice, much more free-wheeling. The division between private and public roles and profit was less established.<br /><br />Never the less, I think that the free-wheeling real estate focused culture that persisted was established then. Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-12963815011839588012012-11-16T12:46:43.792+11:002012-11-16T12:46:43.792+11:00to get commentsto get commentsEvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355215688351759230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-38062186505272124132012-11-16T12:46:04.371+11:002012-11-16T12:46:04.371+11:00Do you know if anyone has traced the consequences ...Do you know if anyone has traced the consequences of the "Rum Rebellion" and if it had lasting effects in NSW?<br /><br />Whether the corruption persisted and if so in what ways and for how long?<br /><br />I guess this would be difficult to figure out but I would certainly be interesting to know.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355215688351759230noreply@blogger.com