tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post5960134895856026211..comments2024-02-11T19:28:27.997+11:00Comments on Personal Reflections: Musings on left and right: does it matter?Jim Belshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-45754285327115314212015-06-24T15:44:10.462+10:002015-06-24T15:44:10.462+10:00That helps. Petra Kelly - a sad story ttps://en.wi...That helps. Petra Kelly - a sad story ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petra_KellyJim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-84811123527374390902015-06-24T05:55:26.165+10:002015-06-24T05:55:26.165+10:00Head of the German Green movement, I think.
kvdHead of the German Green movement, I think.<br /><br />kvdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-76809961035312709772015-06-23T19:11:56.847+10:002015-06-23T19:11:56.847+10:00Jack Mundey coined the phrase green bans in 1973. ...Jack Mundey coined the phrase green bans in 1973. His work in Sydney is certainly part of the story. I know the name Petra King, but her role escapes me. Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-2249712789198515462015-06-23T15:31:53.882+10:002015-06-23T15:31:53.882+10:00No mention of Jack Mundey or, overseas, Petra King...No mention of Jack Mundey or, overseas, Petra King?<br /><br />kvdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-413445023527882912015-06-23T05:53:04.518+10:002015-06-23T05:53:04.518+10:00Checking, Silent Spring was published in 1962. It ...Checking, Silent Spring was published in 1962. It certainly had a major impact. There are a number of threads to the story, some dating back well before Silent Spring.The emergence of the Greens as an organised force comes later, although the Australian Greens trace their history back to 1972, claiming to be the first Green Party in the world. Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-37363959057160352102015-06-22T19:27:26.830+10:002015-06-22T19:27:26.830+10:00Yes the Green issues emerged long before the 80...Yes the Green issues emerged long before the 80's. Maybe the most convenient date would be Carson's The Silent Spring.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355215688351759230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-79181669526315821992015-06-22T17:53:32.630+10:002015-06-22T17:53:32.630+10:00Hi Evan. Despite the heading of this piece, I stil...Hi Evan. Despite the heading of this piece, I still use the terms left and right because of the absence of an alternative. Perhaps an alternative is not possible, that we should juts do away with the terms full stop? Green issues began earlier than the eighties. Ironically, or so it now seems to me, I was arguing what would now be called a Green line in the early seventies. Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-10760387272317122502015-06-22T12:00:08.477+10:002015-06-22T12:00:08.477+10:00And yet you use the terms left and right Jim.
For...And yet you use the terms left and right Jim.<br /><br />For me things started getting interesting around the 60's (human rights for all, not just the majority or dominant culture) and 80's (sustainability - Green issues).Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355215688351759230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-90760060037471912362015-06-22T06:16:36.681+10:002015-06-22T06:16:36.681+10:00I agree that they are evolving, 2T. Note your last...I agree that they are evolving, 2T. Note your last question!Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-1584355083320779092015-06-21T19:30:26.813+10:002015-06-21T19:30:26.813+10:00I think the Greens are the new Democrats. I rememb...I think the Greens are the new Democrats. I remember the appalling first Green Senators (Bib and Bub as the cartoonists cruelly and accurately depicted them) and the following pretty fair call of 'watermelons'. They appear to have gained sense. Do I buy their entire agenda? No. Do I buy MORE of their agenda than anyone else's? That's a trickier question.2 tannersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-21487650080635250982015-06-20T14:00:38.046+10:002015-06-20T14:00:38.046+10:00Hi 2t. On the White paper, climate change doesn...Hi 2t. On the White paper, climate change doesn't (as I remember) get a mention. The paper is internally focused.<br /><br />On the FR and the 2014/15 budget, the initial support was there. The shift that came came, I think, because the paper saw the Government stuffing up the sales job. I don't think that the rise of the Guardian quite supports Mr Dunlop's point. I would agree that it demonstrated a gap in the media space. But Tim was talking about the now. Outside the Murdoch press and certain radio stations, and based on textual analysis, I would argue that the rest of the media is centre left. <br /><br />I think that you are right on the Democrats. I miss them. They became my default vote when I was unhappy because they were a sufficiently broad church. I see too many negatives in the Greens. Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-11820451101123978122015-06-20T13:19:52.819+10:002015-06-20T13:19:52.819+10:00Sorry, I entered the North Australia comment on th...Sorry, I entered the North Australia comment on the wrong subject. <br /><br />On the Greens, I hope they've learned their lesson. Ideological purity cost them a climate change control regime, because they joined forces with those completely opposed to climate control measures rather than accept an inferior solution (as they saw it). Compromise is essential in politics. <br /><br />On the other hand, they do need to be careful. My take is that Meg Lees allowed the destruction of the Australian Democrats by eventually supporting the introduction of the GST. The party's standing suffered, the usual infighting started and that was the end for them.2 tannersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-3052835988962602782015-06-20T13:10:47.790+10:002015-06-20T13:10:47.790+10:00Same for the 2014/5 budget. The Fin discovered mor...Same for the 2014/5 budget. The Fin discovered more quickly than The Australian that its readership and indeed client base weren't impressed, but the initial support for tax breaks and tough medicine was there.<br /><br />The sudden rise of the Guardian I think rather proves Mr Dunlop's point. That was a completely empty space in mainstream media that it came to fill. The public 'narrative' was being controlled by the right, even if the public themselves had become less convinced or even alienated.<br /><br />I haven't read the Northern Australian paper. Given that it rose out of the aspirations to protect/extend the hold on Northern Australian by a political party, it sounds like balance has been restored. Your assertion that it misses a lot of external context is unsurprising. It is designed to be internally focused, so the rest of the world is mainly an export opportunity. I will lay odds that there is relatively little in there about addressing the potential effects of climate change on the (rather vulnerable) north of Australia as well.2 tannersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-89148076893997586762015-06-20T06:16:32.166+10:002015-06-20T06:16:32.166+10:00It's a mixed paper. The main economic line exp...It's a mixed paper. The main economic line expressed through editorials and the balance of reporters and commentators is clearly right, but other views do appear. In the lead up to the last Federal election, the paper tried to set the economic agenda. There was something almost despairing in some of the later reporting and editorial coverage as the reality began to diverge from the aspirations as set by the paper. Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-73080230591012352292015-06-19T20:25:39.912+10:002015-06-19T20:25:39.912+10:00the Australian Financial Review is an interesting ...the Australian Financial Review is an interesting one - Laura Tingle makes a lot of socialist type statements while Greg Sheridan speaks solidly for the big end of town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com