tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post1758304070735751650..comments2024-02-11T19:28:27.997+11:00Comments on Personal Reflections: How to find and use Australian census data 1 - Languages spoken at home case studyJim Belshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-73645982191574851172008-03-21T11:45:00.000+11:002008-03-21T11:45:00.000+11:00On Shanghainese, also known as Wu. M. speaks Shan...<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghainese" REL="nofollow">On Shanghainese</A>, also known as Wu. M. speaks Shanghainese, another Wu dialect from Jiangsu Province, Mandarin, and of course English. I can actually hear the differences between Shanghainese and Mandarin, though I really speak neither.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-6137548251387977902008-03-21T11:18:00.000+11:002008-03-21T11:18:00.000+11:00Good morning, Neil. I understood the reason for Ma...Good morning, Neil. I understood the reason for Mandarin's rise, but had never heard of Shanghainese.Very interesting. I must find out more some time.<BR/><BR/>I am glad that you downloaded the Atlas. It's a very interesting document. I noted the Eastern Suburbs public school figure. The ditribution of public school attendance across Sydney provides a powerful argument for differential funding of public schooling as a social equity measure.<BR/><BR/>I spent some time trawling through the data for some of the most disavantaged areas in western Sydney such as Airds. Depressing stuff in some ways.Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-41537412155802582592008-03-21T10:43:00.000+11:002008-03-21T10:43:00.000+11:00The Mandarin growth is not surprising, given the m...The Mandarin growth is not surprising, given the migrants arriving from PR China (and, less so, Taiwan) since the late 1980s; you still get a HK element boosting Cantonese, and Hokkien and other Chinese languages depending on where the speaker had come from. Having recently analysed the language background of Year 7 at SBHS, the most spoken-at-home non-English language was Shanghainese, a variety the census doesn't register. Shanghainese speakers also speak Mandarin. I guess you could make the analogy that Mandarin to Shanghainese is a bit like Danish to Norwegian, but Cantonese to Mandarin is more like Danish to English. Aside from the nature of Chinese writing making the two mutually comprehensible when written, speakers cannot understand each other. (For the writing, think numbers. 2008 is mutually comprehensible in writing right across Europe; spoken, not so.)<BR/><BR/>Lexcen, not all Indigenous Australias look like, um, Indigenous Australians...<BR/><BR/>I downloaded the atlas, Jim. I was especially fascinated to note the Eastern Suburbs are almost a public schools no go zone! More so than the North Shore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-5963252223167558612008-03-21T10:37:00.000+11:002008-03-21T10:37:00.000+11:00Hi Lexcen. Glad to see that I side-tracked you! Th...Hi Lexcen. Glad to see that I side-tracked you! <BR/><BR/>The result may not be surprising. If the population of that small square is, say, 1000,then you are talking about 10-30 indigenous people.That's not a lot.Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-25800494599144515692008-03-21T10:26:00.000+11:002008-03-21T10:26:00.000+11:00Morning Jim, the map for my area shows a small squ...Morning Jim, the map for my area shows a small square where indigenous population is at 1-3%. That's a surprise because I've never met any indigenous people in my area.Lexcenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856993035719777231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-13097248290210327482008-03-21T09:09:00.000+11:002008-03-21T09:09:00.000+11:00Good morning, Lexcen. You were one person I had in...Good morning, Lexcen. You were one person I had in mind when I started this post! If you haven't discovered the map facility I describe in my next post, you may get side-tracked. If my memory hasn't failed me, I see, to remember the post you wrote on the census results in your own area.Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-46365589943606761042008-03-21T07:47:00.000+11:002008-03-21T07:47:00.000+11:00Thanks Jim.Thanks Jim.Lexcenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856993035719777231noreply@blogger.com