tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post8911573804988298879..comments2024-02-11T19:28:27.997+11:00Comments on Personal Reflections: Australia's confusions over education vs trainingJim Belshawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-40042446738619581032008-11-06T21:03:00.000+11:002008-11-06T21:03:00.000+11:00I took some time to locate this and discovered tha...I took some time to locate this and discovered that you can easily source the same information from the wikipedia. It is however a fascinating insight and alternate suggestion to education!<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Universal education through schooling is not feasible. It would be no more feasible if it were attempted by means of alternative institutions built on the style of present schools. Neither new attitudes of teachers toward their pupils nor the proliferation of educational hardware or software (in classroom or bedroom), nor finally the attempt to expand the pedagogue's responsibility until it engulfs his pupils' lifetimes will deliver universal education. The current search for new educational funnels must be reversed into the search for their institutional inverse: educational webs which heighten the opportunity for each one to transform each moment of his living into one of learning, sharing, and caring. We hope to contribute concepts needed by those who conduct such counterfoil research on education--and also to those who seek alternatives to other established service industries." Ivan Illich in De-Schooling Society. <BR/><BR/> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_IllichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-11079603083507214502008-11-06T09:08:00.000+11:002008-11-06T09:08:00.000+11:00Arthur, the really sad thing is that I think at le...Arthur, the really sad thing is that I think at least some actually do care. Our system works against them.<BR/><BR/>Ramana, I prefer learning to think rather than learning to learn because learn carries with it the concept of better ways of knowledge or skills acquisition. Beyond that, I have a lot of sympathy for your point!<BR/><BR/>Lexcen, I agree. The problem, though, with a training approach is that you teach people to think about issues within a defined context set by the purposes of the training. This can have a broader generic value, but generally still limits thinking outside the box.Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-15372978116685410282008-11-06T06:57:00.000+11:002008-11-06T06:57:00.000+11:00Training someone to think about issues is a good e...Training someone to think about issues is a good education:-)Lexcenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856993035719777231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-57662840079793725872008-11-06T02:58:00.000+11:002008-11-06T02:58:00.000+11:00I used to believe that education meant learning to...I used to believe that education meant learning to learn. This was the approach that my teachers took and I am a reasonably successful result of that kind of education.<BR/><BR/>What has replaced that approach is a competitive and qualification acquiring occupation that stifles enquiry and innovation. The outcome, all too common here, is highly qualified but unemployable people!<BR/><BR/>Every country is going through this self flagellation on this subject and I do not see any action anywhere!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-80009883462194871442008-11-05T15:30:00.000+11:002008-11-05T15:30:00.000+11:00Assume that we actually achieve all the things tha...<I>Assume that we actually achieve all the things that the current Federal Government, and its predecessor before it, are talking about. Do we really believe that we will actually have a more creative population? Will our population be better able to participate in civic activities? I really doubt it.</I><BR/><BR/>Sadly, I doubt the Governments present and recently-departed really care about creativity or civics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-3268594280869659762008-11-05T08:37:00.000+11:002008-11-05T08:37:00.000+11:00Neil, I have left a comment on your post. As I sai...Neil, I have left a comment on your post. As I said there, I think that education is an area worth further dialogue between us.Jim Belshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075614280789984767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-79384725238369531342008-11-05T07:42:00.000+11:002008-11-05T07:42:00.000+11:00Not very good English that: try "replied" or keep ...Not very good English that: try "replied" or keep "commented" and then write "on". <BR/><BR/>Even English teachers can be caught between two idioms if it's early enough in the morning... ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24338064.post-10106113304359818922008-11-05T07:40:00.000+11:002008-11-05T07:40:00.000+11:00I commented via my own post to this interesting re...I commented via my own post to this interesting response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com